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Well it's about f'n time...

Wed Jun 3, 2009, 1:58 PM
I know I haven't updated anything for a while, so I am going through a lot of my recent photos, cleaning them up and getting them posted. Lots of museum and zoo stuff, and a ton of shots from Ireland and other vacations will be going up soon.

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Ah yes, because "Natural News" is obviously unbiased and neutral on such matters. What a joke...

Whether you like it or not, Hitler most certainly did practice vegetarianism, though maybe not as strictly as others, and the same could be said for many (probably the majority) vegetarians/vegans.

Instead of citing a vegan-propaganda-machine as your definitive source, try looking at sources that cite real, unbiased sources, instead of just citing their own propaganda materials as evidence. This is especially laughable as they can't even write a decent article. Instead of providing any evidence for their claims, they go off on non-sequiturs about Catholicism, the autobahn and Volkswagens...

Here are some real sources:

Proctor 1999, p. 136. "Several of [Hitler's] biographers point to the influence of nationalist antisemitic composer, Richard Wagner." See also: Moore, Gregory. (2002). Nietzsche, Biology and Metaphor. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521812305. pp. 155-157: "Wagner, the leading apostle of Aryan Christianity, whose attempt to fuse vulgar anti-Semitism with the 'noble' - and therefore 'Aryan' - Christan 'morality of pity'...This insidious form of anti-Semitism...seized upon by Wagner, sought to purge the Christian religion of 'foreign' Jewish elements, holding that the essence of Christianity, so close in spirit to Eastern religions, must be of Aryan provenance. Wagner suggested...that 'it is more than doubtful if Jesus himself was of Jewish extraction'...These basic themes are reprised in a series of essays written by Wagner in the late 1870s...The 'degeneration of the human race' - which Wagner also refers to in more conventional terms as 'man's historic fall' - was initially triggered, he believes, by the 'departure from its natural food'. An antediluvial, irenic and above all vegetarian people were driven by the famine which followed catastrophic climatic and geological upheavals to renounce their natural diet and consume flesh...the second source of corruption which Wagner cites: the interbreeding of the Aryan with the Jew, a centuries-long 'tainting [degenerierende Vermischung] of the hero-blood of noblest races with that of former cannibals now trained to be business-agens of Society'. As the quintessence of Jewishness, this carnivorous, bloodthirsty ';predator' - and here Wagner is ressurecting the ancient anti-Semitic legend of the blood libel - is the ultimate source of the vitiation of our blood', the pollution of the once proud German-Aryan race....According to Wagner, spiritual renewal, which can be attained through vegetarianism...brings with it the regeneration of the race."

Arluke & Sanders 1996, pp. 144, 150. "In an essay, entitled "Heldentum und Christenheit" (Heroism and Christianity), Wagner articulated an anti-Semitic theory of history, which linked vegetarianism to Germany's future. It drew on the racial theories of Joseph Arthur Gobineau, the philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer, and Wagner's own idiosyncratic brand of Catholicism. Wagner believed that, in abandoning their original vegetarian diet, people had become corrupted by the blood of slaughtered animals. This degeneration was then spread by the mixing of races. Interbreeding eventually spread through the entire Roman Empire, until only the "noble" Germanic race remained pure. After their conquest of Rome, the Germans, however, finally succumbed by mating with the subject peoples. "Regeneration" could be achieved, even by highly corrupted races such as the Jews, through a return to natural foods, provided this was accompanied by partaking of the Eucharist."

Rudacille 2001, p. 88: "These authors, together with Robert Procter and other scholars, agree that Hitler and many of his aides were vegetarians who believed that abstaining from meat would not only enhance human health but also spiritually regenerate the human race. Procter, Arluke, Sanders, and others have attributed Nazi dietary habits to the influence of Richard Wagner, the nineteenth-century German composer, who believed that civilization could be regenerated through vegetarianism."

Citing people like Rynn Berry is just stupid. As a vegetarian and animal rights advocate, he quite obviously has a biased agenda and needs to paint a pretty picture of vegetarianism, and doesn't want it sullied by the idea that Hitler may have shared something in common with him.

Here's something to ponder next time you murder a plant for a meal: Plants Cry For Help
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Hitler may have had a diet restricting meat most of the time, but that doesn't mean he ate purely plant-based foods. He had a flatulence problem (which embarrassed him), which is why he didn't eat much meat. Henry Ford's assembly line (which was modeled off a Chicago slaughterhouse) inspired Hitler when he designed the concentration camps. Jews were sent to concentration camps on "cattle cars", and were sent to their deaths in tunnels resembling those of the slaughterhouse that led cattle to their deaths. There were also farms and slaughterhouses for nonhuman beings on site of concentration camps to provide meat for the Nazis, and Hitler banned German vegetarian organizations. Many Nazi eugenicists were former animal farmers, who took their ideas from selective breeding and applied them to humans, starting racial cleansing. Nazis also used (nonhuman) animal terms like "vermin," "rats," "geese," and "swine" to vilify Jews (since nonhumans were also vilified).

In any case, even if Hitler didn't eat meat, is that somehow supposed to mean that people who don't eat meat support the Holocaust? Hitler also had a mustache, and spoke German. By your implied logic, people who have mustaches or speak German must also support the Holocaust.

Hitler certainly didn't go by vegan ethics by murdering millions of people. Vegans hold that all sentient life, human and nonhuman, has intrinsic value, and has the basic moral right not to be treated like a thing, used as a means to an end. Hitler certainly did not go by this philosophy. If he had, he wouldn't have murdered. Hitler had great disdain for weakness (or what he interpreted as weakness, anyway), and once said: "He who does not possess power loses the right to life." He had no reverence for sentient life, and strongly supported a hierarchal way of thinking. Vegans do not believe in a moral hierarchy among sentient beings. We believe that sentience alone is enough for a being to be regarded as important. Not intelligence, species, race, or gender, but possessing the ability to think and feel. Therefore, we do not regard humans as being "more important" than nonhuman beings, nor do we regard nonhuman beings as being "more important" than humans. Many who follow a hierarchal way of thinking believe that humans are "superior" and are the only beings who should ever be regarded, and seem to think that it must be a "one or the either" decision when having compassion for humans and nonhumans. There doesn't have to be an "either or" stance: humans AND nonhumans can be cared about. I personally, am very aware of human suffering as well as nonhuman suffering, and buy sweatshop-free clothing and fairly traded products. I also am vegan (although veganism also includes compassion towards humans). So many times I hear that there are "more important" things to be concerned about than animal rights, but I don't think human and nonhuman issues must be mutually exclusive. A person doesn't even have to become a vegan activist to become vegan; it could be as simple as replacing animal products with vegan products.

For the record, I don't think that those who consume animal products are Nazis. I do, however, recognize the parallel between nonhuman exploitation and violence and human exploitation and violence. It is the disregard of sentient life that is the root of violence.

Regarding Darwin's quote, even if he was talking about human slaves (which is odd, considering his choice of the non-specific word, "animals," which could include humans as well as nonhumans), it is still a good quote. Whites didn't want to be compared to blacks because they were slaves, considered inferior, and humans don't want to be compared to nonhumans because they are our slaves, and are considered inferior. Darwin also believed that the differences between humans and nonhumans are quantitative, not qualitative. He maintained that there is no human trait that isn't also found in another species, and that the differences are only of degree, not kind.

About plants "feeling pain": I've heard that before from anti-vegans, and know that it is false. Plants lack a brain and central nervous system, so that alone concludes that they are incapable of feeling sensation. As for them "screaming"; they emit ethylene gas when they are cut, and that is measured and converted into sound by a machine. That is not screaming, but a method of measuring a gas. Note that the plant must be cut or otherwise physically damaged in order to release the ethylene gas which is then converted into sound by an electronic machine. Bottom line: plants are not sentient. And if a tomato and a sentient being were falling off a cliff or both doomed by a house fire, I'd rescue the latter, although by your terms, that must make me a hypocrite.

Why Hitler Was Not a Vegetarian

Vegetarianism of Adolf Hitler

Excerpts from "Eternal Treblinka"

Don't Put Hitler Among the Vegetarians

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Since you feared my retort enough to block me from commenting on your reply to me on your own page, I will do so here.

So, you said: "I don't see how this was a "knee-jerk reaction." I initially just pointed out that Hitler was NOT a vegetarian (because he wasn't, as true vegetarians don't eat ANY meat in any amount). You were the one who took great offense, and sent me a novel-length response, attacking me for simply stating a fact. Don't want people correcting you? Don't spew bullshit."

By your standards then, any person who has ever eaten even a single piece of meat (even just to taste it) at any point in their life (including childhood), then decided to stop eating meat later in life, these people cannot rightly be called vegetarians..? That seems a little elitist, don't you think? It seems to me that you're the one spewing bullshit here.

Be that as it may, I'm not the one who took any offense at all... I'm not even sure where you get that impression, but now you're just talking out of your ass. I didn't even write a long response, I simply provided sources. While these sources may have been a little lengthy, it's something you're going to have to get used to now that you've finished high school, if you plan to attend university (good luck, there's an extensive amount of reading involved).

Anyway, as stated in the "Artist's Comments" section (since you still seem to have not actually read it), I said "This was done in response to vegans and vegetarians who seem to view us meat-eaters as no better than Nazis". Now, according to your lengthy knee-jerk reply, you stated "For the record, I don't think that those who consume animal products are Nazis." By this statement alone, you should now know that my "Meat is Murder?" piece was not even directed at you, thus further proving that your taking offense and knee-jerk reaction has been completely unwarranted. Instead of leaving well enough alone, you decided to use this as an excuse to ramble about non-violence, which is a totally separate topic. However, if you'd like to debate the myth and nonsense of non-violence, then I will gladly humor you via email/note/IM, so as not to further clutter our respective homepages with this mess.
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You're obviously a misguided true-believer, so there's no point in debating with you. Instead, I'll refer you back to the piece that upset you so much to begin with. Try actually reading the "Artist's comments" section, and you'll see why your knee-jerk reaction to this piece is completely unwarranted.
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What is stupid about your picture is just that Hitler was still eating meat at every period of his life and that he was not vegetarian. Point.

A vegetarian is someone who does not eat meat, Hitler was eating meat (says all the chefs who cooked for him, what other proof do you need?) so he wasn't vegetarian, why does it need a debate? The information you give is false. If you eat meat twice a day, twice a week or twice a month, none of it makes you vegetarian.

He wanted to act, to show, to give an impression of him (an ascete, "pure" values, a "good" men...) except that is was just a bunch of crappy lies.



The debate could be interesting, what you are saying is not silly in my opinion (as a vegan) : "This was done in response to vegans and vegetarians who seem to view us meat-eaters as no better than Nazis"...

Ok, you want to respond to that, why not, I can understand and most vegan will open there ears if you want to talk about it. But you are giving a respond through a lie... It would be like saying Gandhi slapped his wife (which is not true) just to prove non-violence does not exist.


If you want to give an answer, let's give an intelligent one!
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Your comment about an object is so dumb and you really lack of basic knowledge if you don't get the comparison with women and object my dear.


You want to say that "eating meat doesn't make one evil, and not eating meat doesn't make one sanctified"... I am ok with that, but your way of saying it is exactly the same if you had show a picture-edited of Gandhi strangling a child and writing in a large: "Gandhi was a violent guy" or a picture-edited of Luther King molesting a white guy and saying "M. Luther King was racist".

Hitler was not vegetarian, you had all the links in the previous comment (you know, the one you mentioned as spam?). And you can find through the 25 sources on wiki about "Adolf Hitler's vegetarianism" that even if he tended to it, he never was.

I would have a hole different criticize toward your picture if you have said a kind of thing like : "Hitler believed in vegetarianism" (that, for instant was actually true). But it's VERY different than saying bullshits trying to make a point.
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In your list of favorites here on DA, you have a piece by "vgn" that portrays a cow and a nude woman with the caption "we are not objects". Did you point out to that artist that the caption is in fact a lie? Existing physically, made of matter, both the cow and woman are in fact objects. If you didn't point this out to that artist, then you're a hypocrite.

Now, I understand that there is a more subjective definition of "object" that is being portrayed in the aforementioned piece (even though it's still idiotic). The point is that it evokes deeper thought as to what the artist's intention is, not necessarily the basic definition of the term "object". Now, we can wax intellectual about what it means to be a vegetarian (but I won't as I have grown tired of this inane debate), or we can agree on the underlying message of my Vegetarian Hitler image: eating meat doesn't make one evil, and not eating meat doesn't make one sanctified.

As to whether Hitler was ever a vegetarian at any point in his life for any length of time, I've defended my stance and cited my unbiased sources. If you cannot do the same, then there is no debate to be had.

As an old friend of mine used to say, "Don't bring that weak ass shit up in here."

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